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Gruesome indeed. Tragic. Awful. Our world would take a giant leap toward Utopia if people decided to never use this procedure.

The key is, they would have to decide for themselves. As a conservative, I believe that government should not force a woman to give birth against her will.

 

Hi Smorg!

It is terrible, and anyone can see from this procedure that it is unconscionable. It is killing a live human being. I think that the Supreme Court decision was pretty common sense.

We have spoken before on abortion, and YOU, more than anyone, changed my perspective greatly. But this procedure seems to be black and white.

If it is not the purpose of government to protect those who are weak and cannot protect themselves then what do we have government for?

I realize this is a multifaceted and complicated argument, but whose right trumps the others? The child's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, or the mother's right to what she feels is her right to life, liberty and the pursuit of her happiness?

I guess the safety net I have always thought in place to help a woman out of her irresponsible decision (with the exception of rape) is adoption. But it seems with the millions and millions of abortions in this nation we have looked at that as option 2, while promoting abortion as the best.

Women need to be educated concerning the real effects of abortion on their future as much as they need to be educated about sex, and its responsible use. But we seem to be one sided about that also.

We need not only to fight for the rights of the child, and the rights of the mother, but for the true solutions that would bring this whole problem and its debate to the end. Unfortunately, like most things in this nation, the debate is framed by the extremes, and nothing common sense is likely to ever happen. Hilary is an example of the fringe left and its either/or mentality--which is no different than we get from the fringe right.

Good to hear from you as always. Miss your well-thought out posts, Smorg--when're you getting back into business?

-Jack

 

I find this sickening and cruel and wrong. But if we don't blame the bartender for what the drunk does, and we don't blame the gun seller for what the murderer does, why blame the judges for what the pregnant do? If guns don't kill, people kill, then this law doesn't kill either. Either choice matters or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways. And I'm pretty mad about that, because it's probably Hillary's fault. (LOL)

 

Hi Jack,

When I hear Smorg talk about abortion, I find my thoughts aligned with his. I am torn on the matter of abortion. I hate the procedure, and it really is horrible- especially the depiction above. There is nothing healthy about the procedure for women either. But at the same time, I read Smorg's last sentence and I agree as well.

And Jack, irresponsible really is the key word here with most of these cases. Its a word we never hear in the debate, but its a key element. If I may make a most obvious statement, if we could just eliminate irresponibility, we would make enormous progress.

 

Great comments presented by all! I think it all comes down to how we value human life. I watched a movie not long ago called "Children of Men" and it made me think more on this issue than I have for some time. Life is wondrous and miraculous, and somehow in our society we have cheapened it to worthlessness. Each abortion is a decision by one to determine the course and outcome of another. We have no moral authority to criticize the likes of President Bush and the killing of innocents (collateral damage) in a war if we maintain a person's right to terminate an innocent's life (collateral damage)by this procedure. Murder is murder, no matter how you look at it and equally wrong.

I know a young mother who was prosecuted for having a crack baby--(this is common). If she would have killed the child by the above procedure, she would have faced no penalty. Now if it was her body to begin with (the classic argument presented) then why does she face prosecution for harming the "fetus."

You see, the whole problem is a result of the moral relativism that has been promoted since the 70s--do what feels good, do your own thing--don't consider the consequences of your action. Because of the promotion of such in our educational systems and by our "intellectual elite" we have created a world bathed in the blood of innocents and corrupted by disease. STD's and AIDS are epidemic, and we're still telling our children, "Uh, its ok, just be "safe." Parents who do such should be hung--it is like handing a loaded gun to a child who has never handled one and said, "Uh, its ok, just be safe."

BTW, pardon the swimsuit model. I am not sure why google ads is putting it there--its not like the subject matter of my blog is swimsuits... :)

Post my education by, Smorg (and Smorg, I really appreciate the time you took with me to share what you did--it lifted the blinders from my eyes and gave me new perspective), I have come to what I think would be the solution.

Since childbirth is the product of sex, I think that it should only be adults that engage in it. If children want to engage (which they do) then they need to be treated like adults on the matter. As I mentioned earlier, complete education is a necessity and children don't get that. There are some good programs out there that saddle a highschool kid with a fake baby they have to care for. From what I understand, it has positive results. We should also require that anyone who chooses abortion (both parties) should be shown in detail what an abortion is, and given complete education on its history of negative psychiatric and physical affects. Since these children who have chosen to engage in what should be an adult activity, they should have access to adult information when making the adult decision to terminate a life.

We show "Blood on the Highway" to highschool kids to prevent them from engaging in irresponsible behavior and killing themselves and others. Why aren't we showing them "Blood on the Operating Table?"

Just an opinion.

-Jack

 

Interesting post at:

http://bereans.wordpress.com/2007/04/20/

-Jack