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Friday, December 30, 2005
On "Meet the Press" Ted Koppel and Tom Brokaw both agree that Clinton would have done the same thing Bush did in Iraq: KOPPEL: In large measure, when the president and his top people tell you, as they did, "Here's our perception of what exists. Here's our perception of the danger to the United States. Here's our perception of a relationship between this guy who has weapons of mass destruction and the group that just blew up the Pentagon and the World Trade Center," I don't know that reporters as a whole can sit there and say, "Oh, hokum. You know, it's just not true ... " BROKAW: The French intelligence were sharing the same conclusions with the administration. I thought – I agree with you that I don't think that we pushed hard enough for vigorous debate. I think that on Capitol Hill that the debate was anemic, at best ... RUSSERT: [Congress was] not questioning whether Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. BROKAW: No. No. No. RUSSERT: That seemed to be a uniformly held belief. BROKAW: Right. Yeah. KOPPEL: Nor did the Clinton administration beforehand. BROKAW: No. KOPPEL: I mean, the only difference between the Clinton administration and the Bush administration was 9/11. BROKAW: Right. KOPPEL: If 9/11 had happened on Bill Clinton's watch, he would have gone into Iraq. BROKAW: Yeah. Yeah.
posted by Jack Mercer @ 12/30/2005 07:28:00 AM  
  • At 12/31/2005 01:35:00 AM, Blogger SheaNC said…

    Not sure how they reach that conclusion, since the invasion of Iraq as carried out by the neocons was based on plans they had in place long before 9/11. They were going into Iraq anyway, in that sense. As for Clinton, he was already bombing Iraq, so I think if 9/11 had happened during his presidency he would have focused more on Al Qaida than on Iraq. There still might have been an invasion of Afghanistan, maybe some attention paid to Saudi Arabia. More likely, 9/11 might have been prevented because there were warnings well in advance, and Clinton might have prevented it, whereas the PNAC neocons expressed a desire for a "Pearl Harbor" of their own, as a catalyst to create support for their goals. They knew it was comin', they wanted it to happen, and they allowed it to happen.

  • At 12/31/2005 11:56:00 AM, Blogger Jack Mercer said…

    Amazing that "right wing" media, huh!


  • At 1/01/2006 12:36:00 AM, Blogger SheaNC said…

    It is, indeed. I didn't realize the White House had managed to get Koppel on the payroll 8^)

  • At 1/01/2006 12:39:00 AM, Blogger SheaNC said…

    By the way, Jack, I noticed you don't use the word-verification thing to keep out the spam comments. Do you get those here, or do you just delete the spam manually, or -- ? The reason I ask is, it would be nice to get rid of the word verification if it is no longer necessary.

  • At 1/01/2006 12:59:00 AM, Blogger mokawanis said…

    Hi Jack!
    I'm shocked that Koppel came up with such crazy statements. I'd have thought he had more sense than that. What's your take?
    Wishing you a happy new year. Hope '06 brings you good health and good times.

  • At 1/01/2006 01:36:00 AM, Blogger Bookworm said…

    This is nothing to do with your post, Jack. I just wanted to wish you a Happy New Year.

  • At 1/01/2006 09:26:00 AM, Blogger Jack Mercer said…

    Shea, I just took it off and decided to take my chances. I have been hit twice by spammers since. One I was able to delete, the other it didn't give me the option.

    Mok, I know it sounds kind of crazy, but I maintained the same position that Brokaw and Koppel took at the time Bush went into Iraq. Keep in mind, also, that almost 80% of Americans approved of Bush going into Iraq at the time backed by security reports from almost every intelligence agency in the world. Like Shea pointed out above, Clinton had continued to bomb Iraq all during his presidency and in a post 9/11 world I suspect that he or Gore would have gone into Iraq. The only difference would have been that Clinton or Gore would have been given carte blanche from the U.N. AFTER the German's, French and Russians could remove all of the evidence of their criminal activities in the Oil-for-food scandal.

    Happy new year to you too, Mok!

    BW, thanks! Same to you. Peace, joy and happiness to all of you!


  • At 1/05/2006 05:22:00 PM, Blogger Kevin Mark Smith said…

    Anyone with hair that bad cannot be a Republican. I suspect that someone spiked his cheese wiz.

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